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Just to give you a flavour of how much amazing real experience you get on a BTEC :

DS's group have been doing the 'Theatre in Education' unit. Last term they did 4 performances of their show, which were open to friends, family and other students to watch. This week they took the show on a brief tour of primary schools and today performed it twice in one school, and tomorrow they perform in two more different schools. And yesterday they took a coach trip to London to watch a play at the Lyric Theatre.

I'm just so impressed by how much experience they are getting =D>

Paulears......I'm really glad that they still keep log books for some of the units. I think its good to have a quiet time at home recording, observing, analysing, exploring and evaluating the effects of what they have covered in their sessions. They have chance to demonstrate what they have gained from the sessions, and they have written evidence to add to their portfolio which they can use later on. If its done in a Big Brother Diary Room how can they access it again if they want to look back on it?

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yes dd toured the primary schools with the college panto,she loved it.
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If students kept proper log books that covered the criteria, I'd agree with you - however, the vast majority of logbooks show all the signs of being written at the very last minute - with only a small percentage of students using them for reflection and a 'home' for valuable content. I doubt if any logbooks hardly at all are ever referred to after they have been assessed. I probably looked at a few dozen last year from schools and colleges from all over the country, and content was pretty weak. They always seem to use 'we' instead of 'I', so even determining who actually had the ideas is tricky. Actor's logbooks tend to be best, but the reality is most are written in retrospect.

The video versions, are of course, accessible - but I'd bet the number of people who ever watch them back is very, very small. The other problem with reflective work is that they often forget to say the things that they need to to get the grade. To use an example of where log books are great, we could use the TiE unit - which is very popular, and often linked with the small scale tour. One of the Distinction criteria says:
develop ideas for a TIE project that would entertain and educate with flair and imagination
A log book completed after each session is an ideal way of sorting the evidence out - the only alternative would be hours and hours of video watching it evolve, and assessing it would be horrible. So a log works fine here.

However, in the Performing Arts Business unit (one often considered a bit dull, but vital) the spec for one of the Distinctions says:
critically comment on the services provided by a range of production organisations in the performing arts analysing what they offer and how they interrelate with other areas of the industry
This could be done with a log book, or written work - but adapts nicely to talking to the camera - to get the 'D' they have to be very detailed and pick it apart - this kind of content stretches many learners because they sometimes don't have very developed writing skills - but being performers, they can talk!

Again - this is where a typical A Level student wouldn't have much of a problem producing the work via writing, but somebody who is a bit more limited with their ability to get material down in words with precision would be advantaged by not having to write it down, but just explain it.

As an ex-A Level examiner, I always found it very sad to read exam essays that were really long, yet had no red ticks in the margin, so got zero marks. Some kids just couldn't write prose. They'd have done better with bullet points, but the rules said no.
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correction sorry, the unit is not TIE but 'Childrens Theatre', which is why I was so impressed that not only did they produce a show, they also do a tour as well.

Paulears...thanks for sharing your expertise in all this, does really help.

As a parent of a 'typical A level student' (yes, it was a big struggle for me in the big A levels vs BTEC debate, which is where this thread started!) I'm glad that there is an opportunity on the BTEC to use literary skills, as well as performance skills, because DS sees this course as part of a journey into higher education/university, where I am sure writing skills will definitely be required. I had worried that he would find the recording aspect of the course a bit hard going but he enjoys the process of analysing and fine tuning his thoughts. Of course its great too that you don't have to do much written work if you prefer not to.

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I suspect strongly that the teachers either tell the kids or don't about the options. If you read the BTEC specs, you will find a common theme - if they use words such as 'Must" or 'Will' - it's effectively an instruction. "learners will keep a written log ....". No way around that one. However, watch for "Learners may keep a written log book" - in that example, it's just a suggestion. Wherever possible words are very carefully chosen so as not to limit the teacher's (and the kids) imagination on new and exciting kinds of evidence collection.

The Theatre for Children is a slightly unusual unit, in that it incorporates the behind the scenes stuff - so developing and managing is the critical bit, where skills may well be weaker, and then performances after the behind the scenes stuff is done. It even included legal requirements; Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) checks; health and safety considerations; costume; lighting; sound; set design; props - That's quite a bit of non-performing! Useful stuff though!
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paulears wrote: The Theatre for Children is a slightly unusual unit, in that it incorporates the behind the scenes stuff - so developing and managing is the critical bit, where skills may well be weaker, and then performances after the behind the scenes stuff is done. It even included legal requirements; Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) checks; health and safety considerations; costume; lighting; sound; set design; props -
Thanks for the heads up on that....I'll just ask DS if he has covered all that in his Blog . They are keeping a blog, but I guess its just an up beat name for a log book really :-k

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I wouldn't worry too much - very often they'll leave things until they naturally come up. As for the blog, rather than log - I guess it's just a crafty way of encouraging them to write. If you get a chance to read it, just make sure it actually does what the criteria can grade - the assignment always details these in full - they are fixed, the school HAS to use the wording and they cannot simplify or change it. In a way, you could assess it just as well as the teacher - not rocket science! Just ask yourself if what is written matches the requirements. Sometimes they write loads, but miss the point and get an iffy grade. 1 paragraph of dead on stuff beats twenty pages of waffle!
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[quote="paulears"]- the assignment always details these in full - they are fixed

So would you expect the students to see the full wording of the assignment so they know what they are being assessed on, rather than just being told to keep a log book of what they have covered?

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I am currently doing AS level Theatre studies and have found really helpful for developing my ambitions to go into acting professionally as an adult.

In your OP you only asked for more information on the BTEC, I think, but if you would like to know anymore about the AS level then please just ask me. :D
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Again, Thanks so much for all your advice and knowledge, its been really helpful. Still trying to decide what to do but its all been useful as its given a good idea of what is involved.

Ruby95, I'd love to know more about what you have done in the AS course if thats okay :D

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Sure.

We've just spent the first term working towards our written exam. Even though that was meant to be the 'less practical' portion of the course we still did acting in some form pretty much every lesson. We were also taken to see a play at the theater every single week for eight weeks which was a great opportunity and also really fun.

We have now started working towards our practical exam and so are spending most of our time devising our group plays. Most of the classwork we do now involves acting but we also get to work on other aspects of the production such as choosing costumes and designing our sets. We have started to learn about the practitioners which is really interesting and we were even given the amazing opportunity to meet one practitioner and ask them questions about their work!

Although there is a fair bit of written work involved that doesn't mean that we are not constantly being given the chance to act. I, personally, have found the written work really useful in collecting my thoughts about the characters and how I would like to perform certain roles. So far I have really enjoyed the course. :D
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Thanks so much Ruby95! :D

A level actually sounds really good! A lot of people I know who are interesting in acting are doing theatre studies/drama Alevel. I defenately would like to do a course with a lot of practicle work, but the written work sounds really interesting too.

Gosh, Its hard having to choose things like this at 16!

Thanks again,
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So would you expect the students to see the full wording of the assignment so they know what they are being assessed on, rather than just being told to keep a log book of what they have covered?
Sorry Tikka - Panto just finished and I only just got home!

Re: the assignments. One of the BTEC rules is that assignment briefs must tell the students exactly what they will be assessed on, and if, as most do, there is a list of tasks - each one should have the criteria targeted - usually by a little note saying something like (P1,M1,D1) - indicating this task uses criteria 1 at all the available grades. Most schools and colleges will then write the criteria wording out in full so they can see it very clearly. With BTEC, there is an expectation that many of the students (called learners nowadays) can read the criteria and tailor what they do so they can tell the teacher who assesses the work - "That's a Distinction for criterion 2!!" If they consider they met the wording, they will complain if the assessor disagrees.

People like me check the assessments to make sure the criteria and evidence match - and one of the questions that can result in a qualification being blocked is when the tasks set are not linked to criteria, so the learners may have done what they thought the teacher wanted, but it didn't fit. So the teachers are free to design whatever kind of work they want - but it MUST fit the rules, or it simply won't get through the checks. In fact, there are up to 4 people involved in checking BTEC grades. In A level, you might have one examiner - who nobody knows. BTEC offers lots of freedom, but the freedom for the teachers has strings - what they design gets scrutinised pretty closely!
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Thanks again, Paulears.

I'll PM you.

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