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Hello all :)

DD has (just :lol:) decided that she will apply to some drama schools this year, and just wanted to run a few questions past all you experienced parents/students.

- With questions like 'how well do you work with others?' and 'how determined are you to achieve your goals for the future?' what are drama schools generally looking for in an answer these sorts of question?

- One school has asked for a full length photograph of dd in dancewear, do you think that means professional leotard sort of dancewear (which she doesn't actually own!) or will just black leggings, top and character shoes be alright?

- She needs a character reference written by a professional, and my first thought was 'a professional what?!' Do you think they mean a professional in the industry, or a drama teacher/director?

Thank you! All advice is extremely welcome! :D
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If they've asked for full length picture of your dd in dancewear - is your dd applying to do dance/musical theatre/acting ?
For drama school auditions: It depends on the school : but they don't seem to ask questions regarding anything to do with how well you 'interact' with others , because they test this during audition process. Eg: drama/acting course auditions, some have a warm up on arrival with others in the group you've been put into, they will be watching you then. They may also split people into pairs and do movement work, watching your interaction.
What to wear : No patterns, most students wear black, 'nothing that distracts from the face', keep long hair off the face, but you need to still look like photo you've submitted ! You just need to feel comfortable.
Regarding individual panel audition and questions : You can't second guess, because they ask different questions to each student,depends on whats in your application and what they feel they don't know about you already - They may ask something about your likes/dislikes/what you do in spare time/how you relax/or ask you to talk about plays you've seen/ 'why do you want to go to that school?'.
References : Professional means your drama school teacher if still at school and personal reference (if asked) could be Drama Leader at drama club/youth group.
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Yes it does vary from place to place. My DD had to submit a photo for one college (cant remember which one) she wore leggings and fitted top. At Arts Ed she had a examination by physio as well! Many of the questions were general ones about stuff she had done, plays she had seen etc. They want to see a real passion and enthusiasm and interest in acting.

For the actual auditions then wear comfortable clothes, nothing revealing - my Dd wore skinny jeans and a bright t shirt. Hair neat and off face. If asked then you may have to take dance stuff to change into (usually for MT).

Professional means not a personal one - so a teacher, employer etc, rather than family friend.

One bit of advice is really examine what each college requires at audition - they are all different so you have to be careful e.g. specifying what is a "modern" monologue. My DD had a panic for one of hers as the night before she reealised a particular place wanted a modern British piece - hers was by an American :shock: :shock: :shock: . It was too late to change, but luckily they did not hold it against her, but from then on we checked evry little thing.

These are useful pages:
http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.dunmore/

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.dunmor ... ch.def.pdf
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This is an audition coach isn't it - Interesting articles, I've read his blogs before, but I'd just like to say that not only do audition coaches probably cost a lot of money, it could go against you.
During my dds auditions shes been asked if anyone 'helped' her with her monologues (and they don't mean their friends or if you've shown a drama teacher from school).
So be careful getting coaching for auditions because it could damage an audition for anyone who already possesses raw talent and who, without any help/coaching, would have given a very naturalistic performance.
Drama school audition panels give places to those they feel they can train and bring something unique to their school.
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Genevieve wrote:
This is an audition coach isn't it - Interesting articles, I've read his blogs before, but I'd just like to say that not only do audition coaches probably cost a lot of money, it could go against you.
During my dds auditions shes been asked if anyone 'helped' her with her monologues (and they don't mean their friends or if you've shown a drama teacher from school).
So be careful getting coaching for auditions because it could damage an audition for anyone who already possesses raw talent and who, without any help/coaching, would have given a very naturalistic performance.
Drama school audition panels give places to those they feel they can train and bring something unique to their school.

Although Simon Dunmore is a drama coach he also teaches on an Acting course and has written a couple of excellent books for actors - An Actors Guide to Getting Work - as wel as writing for The Stage. I think his web pages are very informativer and worth reading - you certainly wouldn't have to mention reading his advice at an audition :D :D . He doesn't really write a blog at all - just updates his advice pages every year or so. For example, his page on what each drama college regards as a "modern" piece is excellent - you would have to trawl through at least 15 different websites to get this info otherwise :shock: The pages on how to audition are also very good - its OK if you know peole who have done it before etc but if like our family there was absolutely no one who had done anything remotely like acting any info like that is useful.
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reading 'advice' from books/websites is different - everyone does that for auditions - or should do !!!
I was referring to actually getting 'coaching lessons' for drama school auditions and paying for them one to one - Most can't afford that anycase, but wanted to mention that getting coached can backfire. I'm sure some people will pay and get in to top schools, but the professional people on audition panels can tell (somehow!) -
yes, am familiar with his advice pages/blogs - and he's very informative regarding auditions/pieces etc. I wish I'd found his online info before most of my dds auditions !
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I would agree that coaching can backfire. Some drama schools advise against it (they want to see the students' approach, not the coach's). But there is coaching and coaching and there are teachers and teachers!

No coach or teacher can "get you in" to drama school - and anyone who makes such a claim should certainly be avoided. However, a knowledgeable teacher can prevent an applicant shooting themselves in the foot and a good teacher will help a student show themselves to the best advantage and possibly give them confidence. They can also point out bad habits and give them reassurance. I know lots of drama school students and graduates, and as far as I know very few of them (if any) had "coaching" as such. I think almost all of them will have practised their speeches in front of someone though and most will have been doing performance outside an educational environment. If someone has very little experience outside school, I think outside classes/the chance to experiment/the opportunity for individual feedback etc could be very helpful.

I have been aware of teachers (both private LAMDA teachers and secondary school teachers) who have, in my opinion, given misleading advice that would do student actors no favours, and I'm sure this is very confusing. Finding someone you trust, someone who has decent experience and who can help you explore though - I think this is useful. Helping to choose suitable speeches might come in handy too. It's not so much working on your speech (though I think this can give some reassurance to the student sometimes) - it's exploring how you work and how you come across to others as an actor. Also, a couple of singing lessons for an actor who is nervous about the singing part of an audition can be very helpful.

However, the panels at drama school are accustomed to looking for raw talent and will spot the spark I think. They will also spot and be suspcious of a very highly polished speech IF the actor can't do it any other way.

In terms of the questions asked in interviews: I think the only thing to do is to be honest. Be open, friendly and honest. It's generally very easy to tell when someone is trying to give the "right" answer, rather than saying what they think.
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pg wrote:However, the panels at drama school are accustomed to looking for raw talent and will spot the spark I think. They will also spot and be suspcious of a very highly polished speech IF the actor can't do it any other way.
absolutely - and if they are suspicious , they will ask you to try bits from your monologue a 'different way', and see how you respond to 'direction' !!! an analogy of how obvious it could then be that you've been coached for your monolgues will be as clear to them as if you suddenly changed accents!!! .. ..they know how to test you !!
And have a think about what they could ask you, but you really can't predict. One boy, for example, was asked, 'What makes you angry?' :shock: that really took him by surprise :-$ (his jaw dropped!) #-o
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IF they DON'T redirect, how do they distinguish between "highly polished" and "actually, just very good"?! I'm just thinking about the amount of effort that people must put into this application process that, bloomin' heck, if they're not highly polished by the time they turn up, doesn't that say more about how committed they are to the process? It really sounds like if you've rehearsed and rehearsed until you're "polished", it will actually count against you, and they'll just assume that there must be a higher power at work!!

I have no direct experience, so don't worry - this isn't a rhetorical question, but how DO they distinguish between someone who has practised every hour they have to get it just so, and someone who has put less effort in and is therefore overall "less polished"? And how do they know that the person less polished hasn't actually practised like billy-o to get to the level they're at, but just can't get any better?!

It certainly sounds a tough balance to achieve?! Good.....but not TOO good that it appears you couldn't have done it alone?!
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:-k hmmmm.. hang on a minute ....I will have to read your post twice, maybe three times, as my brains are like spaghetti now (you have a good point!)
Nicola wrote:IF they DON'T redirect, how do they distinguish between "highly polished" and "actually, just very good"?!
I think the answer to that 'could be'...Well that's exactly what separates the auditionees from the auditioners, the professionals, I guess. And also I don't think theres any such thing as a 'highly polished' performance in the sense of meaning 'perfect', it could be that someone performs their rehearsed monologue that is of a seemingly 'trained' standard to the audition panel, but they'd probe this to check that this wasn't just a one-off amazing performance, because the candidate had really prepared their monologue well, for months on end, and they'd have to test this by doing some redirection work. They'd be no other way to tell- If schools didn't , I've no idea how they'd tell if someone would be able to keep up the same standard from their audition throughout the duration of an entire drama course :shock: .
There must be so many variables that probably tick their boxes when offering places (like those with hard to shift bad habits, wooden/stiff performances, those that lack movement, expression and interpretation of the character etc ..and other things must come into play ...that I have no idea about 8-[ :-k ).
(I think :-k )
um um.......Ask pg :lol:
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I think, at the end of the day, you have just got to go in there and be yourself. The panel know exactly what they are looking for and will spot it. Just relax and enjoy the experience.
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Caroline A-C wrote:I think, at the end of the day, you have just got to go in there and be yourself. The panel know exactly what they are looking for and will spot it. Just relax and enjoy the experience.
Agree 100% .... that's what my daughter did at LIPA. ... she had loved the place at the open day and just decided to relish the experience of being there and really enjoy the morning session irrespective of the outcome. The result ... recall and on the reserve list :D
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'Well done' to your ds, sapphire. Just got the LIPA prospectus and it looks amazing. Hope she gets a place.
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tikka wrote:'Well done' to your ds, sapphire. Just got the LIPA prospectus and it looks amazing. Hope she gets a place.
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I don't think "highly polished" was a good phrase to use :? :lol: though Genevieve certainly grasped what I was getting at!

What I think I meant :lol: :? is that a performance of a monologue/speech that seems really well-prepared, may be just that. The candidate may have worked hard and well on the speech, but something about the way it is delivered may suggest the possibility of too much outside influence - good influence, that has led to a well-prepared speech - but nonetheless a suspicion that the speech is good but the candidate may not otherwise be a strong one . I don't think this means that a well-prepared speech will be a bad thing at all - certainly far better than one that is ill-prepared - but the school will want to try to find out whether it is only the speech that is well-prepared rather than the candidate!

I was invited to participate (as a working actor - hah! - with some teaching experience) in a workshop for drama school auditionees - I won't say where. I really enjoyed it and it was fascinating! It was a practice session for them, where we did some warm-ups and improvisation and then they did their speeches and received feedback.

One of the reasons feedback is hard to give, particularly if you don't know the candidate and you don't have much time, is that a phrase you use, the one you have chosen either carefully or sometimes carelessly, where you are fairly sure you know what you mean by it, may mean something different to someone else! Feedback almost always needs discussion - so with a teacher or tutor it can be helpful - but from someone you won't see again it can just be puzzling and frustrating. It often needs the candidate to question it: "do you mean I...." or "can you clarify what you mean by..." - and of course drama school applicants never really get the chance to do this.

It was an uncomfortable fact that some of those present at the workshop were likely to fall at the first hurdle. I tried to give positive and constructive criticism, and it was hard to know how "critical" to be. After the mock audition, I asked one auditionee about the speech he had chosen, mainly because I wasn't convinced he entirely understood it. He admitted that he hadn't read the play...

There was one auditionee whose Shakespeare piece was unpolished. He hadn't really got to grips with the verse and he stumbled more than once. Nonetheless, his performance was electrifying. His physical presence seemed slightly dangerous (though he was a charming young man) and this made him so very watchable. All his movements were natural and instinctive. On the other hand, there was another intelligent and very well-rehearsed speech from another candidate that left me slightly cold. It was hard to know quite what to say, and I felt that, if I had been auditioning, this would be a student I would want to know more about, to find out what was preventing him letting go and being more spontaneous. His speech was "polished", in that there were no obvious faults in his delivery and there was no doubt at all that he'd put in a lot of work and understood it, but something was somehow missing.

Another auditionee was trying so hard that I thought he was going to burst a blood vessel, which was quite uncomfortable to watch, and at least here I felt I could give him some useful advice.

It's interesting (to me at least!) that I remember the boys better than the girls. The girls in this particular group were all of a good standard and well-rehearsed, but none of them stood out in a staggeringly good (or particularly bad) way. They had almost all chosen speeches that were too old for them though...
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