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Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:02 pm
by mathsmum
does an 'open licence' mean a child can be in any production over the next 6 months - if so, where is the protection in that - surely individual licences mean that for each job, the local authority checks that production company/theatre?

agree they should be quicker - ours is a week as long as your paperwork's in order

Re: Child Licence petition - DCSF review

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:04 pm
by inconspicuous
Hi everyone

The DCSF have announced today that Sarah Thane, CBE, former Chair of the Royal Television Society and former advisor to Ofcom, will be undertaking an exploratory review of the regulation of child performance.

More details at

http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/everychildmatter ... erformers/

Think it would be useful to keep up-to-date with progress - and make sure that our voices and points of view are heard,

All best
Lisa

Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:54 pm
by obsteve
is this link to the NNCEE useful to anyone?

http://www.bucksinfo.net/nncee/

Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:55 pm
by louisejudson
Hi not sure what stage coach are trying to do, To me it looks like they want all the control of lincence for children, and if so does that mean that if you dont use stage coach or the agency you have no chance of being offed a job.
I have not had any problmes with getting any licensce of my cc for 6 month and they do last min lincens within 1 hour so long you dont mind going and waiting with them while they do it. The 6 month licenes that i get i for modelling and commercial. For filming or tv work you have to have a license for just that part that you are in which is not a problme. I have found that the agents in London dont seem to send of the forms that i give them for a 6 month open license? not sure why they dont as it has to come though my cc and not theirs.

Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:29 pm
by mandimm1
I have come up against this licensing time scale yet again. My son lost out on a job which he really wanted to do because our authority would not under any circumstances grant a license in 4-5 days! When challenged they said they could insist on 21 days! The job was then given to a kid who lived 10 minutes down the road from us (same county different office) but whose LEA didn't have a problem! So frustrating!

It seems to me that all the LEA's should be 'singing from the same songsheet' and that a national law applies. It should not be down to the individuals in the departments who job share/haven't got enough staff/ are on holiday/ flexi time or are just power happy.

All these excuses I have been given (except the power one obviously)!

I did hear that up north in some areas you can get a license that covers any productions for 6 months!

Now that would be good.

At the end of the day we all protect our children and chaperone them.

It makes me so mad!!!

Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:47 pm
by livininabox
Hi
That must be incredibly frustrating. In our area the council issue 6 month open licences which cover upto 10 performances...any more you have to get specific permission, but even so its an easy task. Nor do we have to get any of the GP letters i've read about...we simply fill in a health declaration! And yet a couple of miles down the roads where the council borders change its a situation similar to yours. Crazy, isn't it??

Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:24 pm
by Panda
I believe the 6 month licences and parents health declaration are only valid for modelling jobs and not tv/film?

Lucky person up North if that is correct, we live Up North and my DS just lost out to a fantastic job filming in Prague as International Licences have to be processed thru Bow Street/Westminster magistrates and we couldnt get down in time for a hearing.

I quite agree the whole thing needs sorting out, it is hard enough for our DCs to got thru all the castings and then get the job without more hassle for licences. In defence our LEA is pretty good most of the time, only difficult if the top lady is away.

Ra! #-o

Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:31 pm
by Irishdancer
I am sure that there is some where up north that u can get that licence as well might be wrong but sure I heard about it, its usaly the production company who have to do the licence not u when oldest ds had to go abroad lady from sylivia youngs did the licence for ds and the other girl even though ds was n ot with Sy

Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:49 pm
by missmoneypenny
No, the whole country have to go to Bow Street - the usher there told me all about it when we were there :) was waiting over half an hour and knew everything about it by the time I was seen haha - he was like a court tour guide!!

Re: Child Licence petition - DCSF review

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:26 am
by Golightly
Unfortunately the new government aren't going ahead with the proposed reforms to children's performance licensing, this is from today's Broadcast:
The government is set to drop a major reform of rules governing children appearing on TV that has been on the cards for more than two years, Broadcast has learned.


Prompted by concerns around Channel 4 series Boys and Girls Alone and the appearance of 10-year-old Hollie Steel sobbing on Britain’s Got Talent, the previous Labour government launched a review of the use of children on TV in June 2009, with the aim of updating the 1963 Children and Young Persons Act and 1968 Children’s Entertainment Regulations.

Initially, the government pledged to tighten the rules. However, the focus shifted towards addressing inconsistent legislation designed for a bygone era. Reform was then championed under the coalition government by new children’s minister Tim Loughton.

New primary legislation, based on a report published last year, was expected to be pushed through under the coalition government. However, senior sources have indicated that it is unlikely to be passed during this term - and its future is now uncertain.

The report, written by industry consultant Sarah Thane, recommended a “more streamlined, proportionate and risk-based licensing” approach, starting with “a presumption in favour of licensing child performance”.

With the onus on producers to demonstrate due care, something they are already required to do under the existing Ofcom code, there would be “very few occasions when a local authority would refuse a licence based on the nature of the production”, Thane said.

She stressed the importance of updating the “anachronistic” legislation. “I would urge that the impetus around this issue be maintained,” she wrote.

However, indications are that this has now dropped down the government’s agenda, leaving the industry with rules from another era that one insider described as “an utter mess”.

A second claimed the current system amounted to a postcode lottery in which local authorities could “exercise prejudices about who deserved licences”.

They added: “Licences are given out on a case-by-case basis, which is unsatisfactory - people can make it work, but it’s not what we should be doing. If things become too difficult, the industry will just stop using children in programming.”

The Department for Education spokesman said: “We want children to have the opportunity to perform and we are continuing to develop, along with partners, our proposals for changing the safeguarding legislation. We will issue detailed options for consultation in due course.”

Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:00 pm
by It's Showtime
missmoneypenny wrote:No, the whole country have to go to Bow Street - the usher there told me all about it when we were there :) was waiting over half an hour and knew everything about it by the time I was seen haha - he was like a court tour guide!!
Just to agree with Irish Dancer, when DS was filming abroad, the production company sorted out overseas licence with high court; we didn't attend; just had to make sure we had all the paperwork in order the court requested & dated.

The whole UK licence issue does need to be streamlined and consistent. Very lucky in our area that we have a very efficient system for UK licensing. :D Sad to hear of other lovely DC's losing work due to time constraints. :(

Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:53 pm
by Hecouldshine
The government has opened the consultation period for proposals for changes to the child licencing system. We have until the beginning of August to register comments. The document is here (I hope)
http://www.education.gov.uk/inthenews/i ... r-40-years
and you can join in the consultation here http://www.education.gov.uk/consultatio ... =no&menu=1

I, for one, will not be sorry to see the need for a doctor's certificate go- it sounds like that proposal is a fairly sure thing \:D/

Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:15 pm
by mathsmum
Panda wrote:I believe the 6 month licences and parents health declaration are only valid for modelling jobs and not tv/film?
i still think this is wrong - a 6 month licence means individual companies are not in any way checked to make sure they are in a position to take care of the young person

i would not be at all surprised to hear of lighter regulation around modelling - 'woman's hour' had a horrific item about sexual abuse of under-age models

Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:47 am
by amycompton
I think that you need to get to know the responsible person at your LEA. They can make thinks easy if they want to. I teach in the same LEA and the lovely lady who deals with licenses will do it while I wait at the local office if I turn up with all the right paperwork.

Re: Child Licence petition

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:36 am
by Thalias_Dad
A new one for us this year has been the introduction of fees (£30) for fast-tracking an application if required before the 21 day standard. As we all know, that's nearly all of them.